Friday, March 06, 2009

300

Why, all the armies of Xerxes would tremble when the 300 best position players from 1955 and on gather for WAR. Wins above replacement, that is.

Lou Whitaker ranks 26th, Alan Trammell 44th. I think it's a joke that neither has been elected to the Hall of Fame, but I would have preferred that they rank back to back instead of 18 apart. Here are some cool situations where linked players do rate back to back:

Wade Boggs and Cal Ripken, 1982 Rookies
Jeff Bagwell and Frank Thomas, May 27 1968
Paul Molitor and Robin Yount, longtime teammates
Jim Edmonds and Albert Pujols, though this one won't last long
Graig Nettles and Willie Randolph
David Ortiz and Mo Vaughn

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At 11:14 PM, Blogger Joel said...

For Astros fans. Craig Biggio is considered to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, Jeff Bagwell is a maybe.

Bagwell: 20 79.6
Biggio: 48 65.6

 
At 11:41 PM, Blogger Chone Smith said...

I'd vote Biggio first ballot. But I don't understand how there could be any question on Bagwell. Unless they think he did steroids. Or are blaming him for the crimes of his distant relative, Teddy.

 
At 12:36 AM, Blogger zomgMatt said...

"But I don't understand how there could be any question on Bagwell."

As an Astros fan, neither do I. He's one of the greatest first baseman of all time (didn't Bill James say he was #4/#5 back in 2003?). But he lacks some of the counting stats that a lot of voters want. He'll definitely get in, but it might take a while depending upon how stupid the voters are.

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger Joel said...

The problem is the voters are given pretty vague rules for election.

"5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

I would say both Biggio and Bagwell rank high on all those marks. (Although there maybe some question about Bagwells steroid usage, but that brings up a whole another debate)

The second part of the problem is that the writers that are voting most likely don't take the time to anaylize carefully all the "requirements" for election.

I doubt they sit down and profile each candidate. They most likely go with a few popular statistics (avg/obp/ops/hr/hit/era)and the rest is of memory of the guy.

After all it is the Hall of FAME and like with most elections the most famous and not best candidate gets elected.

 
At 11:01 AM, Blogger Alex said...

Can we please take guys that didn't play the whole span (like Mantle and Musial off the list). It hurts my eyes to see Mantle not up near the top where he belongs, and Musial below Ray Durham.

At least asterisk it or something. There's a lot of bad information that hopelessly overrates Aaron and Mays, we don't need any more.

 
At 11:27 AM, Blogger Chone Smith said...

Actually it underrates Mays as well as Mantle. Even Hank is missing a season or so.

At some point I'll have all players up, though the defensive portion will not be anything as reasonable as TotalZone.

 
At 11:58 AM, Blogger Alex said...

Very good to hear!

 
At 12:32 PM, Blogger Chone Smith said...

A good point on the *, I should at least put a note on the 300 list explaining that only 1955 and beyond are considered.

 
At 10:29 PM, Blogger Aaron said...

What a homer!!! You're saying that Garret Anderson was a better player than Ted Williams?!!!

Oh wait... that's Garret Anderson's career v. the last 6 seasons of Ted's career ;-)

Thanks for the user-friendly leaderboard Rally.

 
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